Everything Wrong with RWBY Part 5 (Missed Opportunities Edition)
I've never understood the idea that faunus are being oppressed in a society where manifestations of evil intent are literally camping outside city walls ready to mercilessly tear people apart. Wouldn't it make more sense for the Huntsman academies to be running the show in place of the 'Councils' and using the faunus, a group of individuals with abilities beyond those of humans, as forced military assets?
The biggest issue with RWBY, in my opinion, is that the writers decided to create a world entirely outside of our own, with its own set of rules and regulations, and then include parallels to real-world politics without taking into consideration the way the world would have evolved differently. But no, humans with unlocked auras aren't the primary powerbase in society, faunus are used as slave labor in place of front-line fighters, and the last Great War was about the idea of expression, rather than expanding territory or increasing base resources.
The existence of Dust alone means that the development of society would be vastly different than our world...
Oh please to the writers her potential love interests are more important to her character than the racism and oppression she might’ve faced, I wish I was just kidding but seriously her potential love life has far more time devoted to it than the racism thing. Even her evil ex, who’s implied to have been a slave, who became the leader of a group made specifically because of said racism doesn’t care much about it and thinks about revenge against her far more than revenge against his actual oppressors. Again I wish I was kidding, you can clearly see these writers don’t know or care about writing things like this.
And that’s why Weiss is best girl, because in comparison she’s the best character in this cast.
Avatar The Last Airbender tackles subjects like genocide, war, mind control, pollution, etc. And it had less than an episode to go into detail about these. Though it doesn't cover any of it's topics in full, it treats each topic realistically and with respect for the time it is there. RWBY doesn't at all.
I use Avatar: The Last Airbender because it’s the perfect example of taking every character the main group of characters come across important or impactful in some way. Every village, town and city is a new experience with its own problem that needs to be tackled, and one or more of the characters learn something from this experience the vast majority of the time. Or some part of the world of Avatar was explored and expanded on. I know these are drastically different from RWBY in terms of structure but I almost wonder if they would have benefited from having a structure similar to this in the first place. But even so there are ways to make this work in a long narrative. Less time with Ren and Nora's back story and more time on the people living in Remnant, more time spent on what the characters are now experiencing after the fall of Beacon. More interaction with their world and each other, that is what should have been done. But Volume 4 failed to do that in almost any way for me.
Big thing about avatar: It took A LOT to break a character out of their way of thinking. You couldn't just give them a quick hero speech or pep talk and then they'd suddenly be like "hey your right!" Like they do in ruby. In avatar they'd have someone address the person's flaw or issue, the person won't want to believe it and ignore it. Because they can think for themselves and it's not that easy. They get into a situation that proves the accuser right but still make excuses for themselves because they don't want to believe it. Then when they see how their decisions and stubbornness to change was actually hurting someone else, or they realized that what they were doing was hypocritical, THEN they changed. It took action and events to change how characters thought about things. They had to literally be forced to SEE the effects and consequences of their actions before they changed themselves. Not just flowery speeches.
Also, counting One Piece in lore, the reason that series succeeds where RWBY fails so far in writing is in mysteries and questions in the series, even though there are a lot of questions and mysteries in One Piece still, One Piece is constantly and progressively answering its questions for fans in either a very subtle way or flat out explaining it, sometimes even off-panel, whereas RWBY takes forever to do this, or when its done, it feels less natural for the show to use a trope or the characters suddenly acting just like they did 20+ episodes ago for a one off gag, which the level of that character trait should have gotten passed by now.
True, their were subplots, but that was development that added up into the main story. In Book 1, the group met Jet/The freedom fighters and Haru, which were important when it came to finding Appa and hunting the Dai Li in Book 2, and the invasion during the solar eclipse in Book 3. Those subplots were important in developing the main plot and pivotal events, and it was still able to flow. Even some subplots in Book 3 had importance. Yes sometimes it was to add levity but there was always a part that was building the story. Also...the villains were actually threatening and posed a significant threat to the group, especially Azula.
also, a lot of the sub plots in ATLA contributed to the main plot in showing how the fire nation was affecting the rest of the world. spirits were angry that their territories were being burned down, people were being enslaved, we even saw the effect ozai was having on his own children in how azula can't even function in a non-combat setting because of how she was raised. the sub plots were another method to hyping up the threat of the fire nation and the big bad of the series
the horror story subplot here doesn't do any of that. It's not building salem up because she didn't create the grimm and they would do this regardless of her input. It's not really building the world at all except introducing a new grimm (which is probably never going to show up again after they're done with this place). It's just another abandoned town in the middle of nowhere with dead people in it.
Missed Opportunities #1: RWBY vs FNKI. There are a lot of problems with the fights in Volume 3. But the biggest in my opinion is the lack of any investment you have in them, and nowhere is that more of a problem than in the RWBY vs FNKI fight of episode 5. Unlike every other fight of this season the potential this fight had over all of the others is astronomical, and it has almost nothing to do with the fight itself but the characters in it. One of the biggest problems with Volume 3 was that all of the new fighters in the Vytal festival tournament are treated as throwaway characters, and this should never be the case.
Say what you want about a show like Naruto, the chunin exam tournament arc is pretty great. You know every character, you've known them for a long time, and most importantly you understand what they might have to lose in their fights. A lot of people don't understand this idea but a fight scene, or at least the best kind of fight scenes, are not just good because of good choreography or pacing, but rather an emotional investment in the characters participating in it. Naruto has some amazing fights in this arc that revolve around this very idea. Naruto proves himself to the village in his fight with Neji, Sakura’s rivalry with Ino, Rock Lee’s fight of hard work vs talent with Gaara. The best fights of this volume came not just from some pretty great animation but from investment we had in what was going on between the opposing sides.
Almost every one of these characters have a personal reason to want to be in this tournament. Not all are equally interesting but they don't have to be. Fight I didn't mention #1. Naruto vs Kiba, his first step to proving himself to his peers. Changes Kiba's view of him completely. Fight I didn't mention #2. Hinata vs Neji, high expectation vs no expectations. Neji proves he's better than the family that abandoned him, Hinata fails to prove her strength.
In Volume 3 there is virtually none of this, when writing a tournament arc we need some reason to care about what's going on. I understand that the tournament is being used by the main antagonists as a means to enact their plans but as a result of that the writers felt no need to put in any effort to develop the characters we have any further and use this opportunity to have a bunch of fights that we ultimately forget because they don’t mean anything. They didn’t have to be relevant to the plot, just to the characters since an investment in the characters is what brings us through a story.
On to the the actual problem at hand. I said before that Volume 3 has virtually none of this, but it does have one little sliver of investment in one fight, which is RWBY vs FNKI. Specifically between Weiss and Flynt Coal. There are so many missed opportunities that this fight could have explored if they had bothered to.
Flynt does not like Weiss, specifically he doesn't like the Schnee family in general but he's projecting his hate onto the only person he can. This is wrong for obvious reasons but more interestingly it's wrong because of just how much acts like Weiss in this scene. We are seeing the same kind of flaw, like Weiss Flynt clearly has his own prejudice that has been formed due to a personal loss. Flynt’s father lost his shop to the Schnee Dust Company, Weiss lost friends and family to the White Fang, giving her a distrust of the Faunus. Weiss is being confronted by someone who has been through a similar kind of pain and has made the same rash judgments that she did. But this is not explored in the least, besides a few laughs and obvious joy he gets out of beating Weiss into the ground we don’t get anything else from Flynt during the fight other than the acknowledgment that her last move was a selfless one. How much more interesting would it have been if we got some banter in this scene?
This face deserves to be explored more, either develop things fully or don't put it in at all. Neon is a waste in more ways than one. Here we have a character that basically serves no purpose in this fight other than that she is an annoying Faunus girl who loves to pick on Yang. She's another throwaway character the writers clearly didn’t care enough about to give anything worthwhile. This is so frustrating given that the solution for this problem is so obvious, why not have Neon hate the Schnee family as well? Both Flynt and Neon are from Atlas (although their expressive clothing and musical interests make them more suitable for Mistral, maybe Atlas likes music a lot I mean they do like singing apparently I don’t know) so why not have both characters not like Schnee’s, just for different reasons. Flynt has his father’s shop to be angry about, why not have Neon’s family work for the Schnee Dust Company as miners? She wants to mess someone up, and it should have been Weiss.
Despite the fact that Faunus are given equal wages to most Atlas workers (or so Jacques says), it doesn’t mean that the pay is equal to the difficulty of the work that needs to be performed by those very workers. Equipment might be faulty or perhaps some important pieces of equipment might not even be given, the conditions of mining are already inherently hazardous, and now we know that simply working in dust mines for long periods of time can lead to severe health problems later in life as what happened to Nicholas Schnee himself, having a decent pay simply isn't good enough for the lifelong harm this job can cause. If Neon had a family member, if not several, who had health problems caused by dangerous working conditions caused by the Schnee Dust Company’s lack of care for it’s Faunus workers. It would allow us to learn more about the motivations people outside of the kingdoms and the main characters would have to become Hunters, maybe Neon wants to become a huntress to improve conditions for Faunus workers by killing Grimm attracted by the day to day hardships they face, or simply to fight Grimm to improve the lives of others since she can't do it for her family. This makes Neon feel like a fully fleshed out character with purpose instead of an internet meme reference. Flynt is as well but like I said they give him something, kind of.
This is how I imagine the scenario goes down. The fight starts, Flynt kicks Weiss like he does, Neon charges towards Yang. Yang attacks but Neon dodges, going straight past her, Yang is confused as to why she wouldn’t attack. Weiss finally gets up, only to be greeted by a nunchuck to the face at high speed by Neon. Neon and Flynt are tag teaming her, they both want a piece of Weiss, they both want to hurt her like her family has hurt them and this is the only chance that they will get to do this without getting in trouble for it. We could have even had a scene where some dirty looks are exchanged as team RWBY walked through the festival grounds. Yang finally manages to get Neon off of Weiss so she can focus on handling Flynt. Neon, who up to this point has been a jokester (you could extend the back and forth attacks between her and Flynt, or have more banter between her and Weiss before the fight to make this be more impactful) has lost her composure and yells at Yang to let her through to Weiss. Yang asks why she’s so angry with her, to which Neon begins screaming about why she hates the Schnee family. A more personal frame I like to show some intensity between these two.
This brings me to the next thing this fight had the ability to explore but chooses not to. The mindsets and views of the citizens of each kingdom. With Neon screaming at Yang about her hatred of the Schnees, we cut to the audience. We see Atlas students annoyed and passing her off as an irrational Faunus just trying to cause problems, Faunus students of Atlas scream in support for her, booing Weiss and taunting her. Then it happens, physical confrontation. Faunus students get into fights with Atlas students over the confrontation in the arena. This allows us to do some serious world building, the most important aspect of world building is not seeing new locations, but rather exploring these new places and the people that inhabit them. Seeing the average student get into fights with each other over such a thing shows us a lot about how the people of Atlas actually feel and how they probably treat each other there. You want to know something else, why not use this opportunity to potentially reveal something about the characters we already have. Would it not be interesting to show Velvet have prejudice against the Schnees due to her mistreatment by others (and by others I mean Cardin.....god the depiction of racism in this show is awful), maybe team SSSN or the rest of CFVY’s perspective? It feels like the staff are too afraid to “damage” our perception of these characters that they aren’t willing to give the side characters any prejudice or perspectives of their own. Once again groups like team CFVY and SSSN come off as unimportant throwaway characters who are there to look cool but never do anything worthwhile or even have anything worthwhile to contribute to how the story is viewed by the audience.
Guards would obviously try to calm the people down and stop the fighting as to not attract the Grimm with all the negativity. Flynt taunts Weiss, saying that all of this is her family’s fault, that the world would be better off without them. Yang is about to lose it, about to unleash her semblance and beat both FNKI members half to death. But before she can, Weiss cries out “I'M SORRY!” The audience goes silent. The fighting in the stands stops, everyone watches Weiss as she gets up.
“I’m sorry about your father, Flynt. I’m sorry your family has been suffering, Neon. I’m so sorry that all of this has happened to you both. But that isn’t me. As sorry as I am for both of you, I am not the one to blame. I became a huntress so I could fix what my family’s company has done to so many, I want to better myself and help those that we have refused to help for so long. But right now, this fight has nothing to do with any of that. We are hunters, we are protectors of the people of Remnant. Our words should not make people cry out in anger but with joy, we should be driving ourselves to destroy hatred and ignorance not help spread it. I am looking at you, both of you, as fellow hunters, as allies, and as friends. I can’t make you change and I don’t expect you to right at this moment, I just want you to give me the chance to show you I can be different than those that have harmed you, the question is will you give me that chance?"
Flynt and Neon nod in agreement, they could have communicated through facial expressions that even though they agree to stop fighting and have definitely seen more than they expected from Weiss they are still skeptical. They agree with her as they notice the fighting has stopped. The audience calms and people sit down again as the tension dissipates. They still don’t fully respect her, and this is where the last part of this scene could have come in.
Weiss should not have pushed Flynt into the geyser, instead make it so that the fight resumes and Yang faces off against Neon. Through her semblance she manages to give one big punch to Neon that completely knocks her aura to zero, but she lands on top of a geyser near where Flynt and Weiss are fighting. Flynt and Weiss notice and Weiss rushes to Neon, pushing her out of the way of the geyser as it engulfs her and breaks her aura, knocking her out of the fight. Neon is on her knees, Weiss in front of her. Grateful she grabs Weiss and shows concern for her. She asks why she would do what she did for someone who hurt her so badly.
“Like I said, were huntresses, we should be looking out for one another.”
Those words are all it takes for Neon to realize just how wrong about Weiss she was. Neon had just hurt this girl so much, felt such hatred for a person she didn't even know, and she wasn’t even right about her. She feels like a fool and begins to cry. Weiss comforts her as Yang and Flynt finally reach them.They express concern and see they are both okay. Flynt kneels down next to Neon, they both look at each other and smile. Flynt turns to Weiss and says his line from the show.
“That was a gutsy move Schnee, I dig it.” Only this time with a smile on his face.?
Yang decides to interject, jokingly saying that as nice as this is, they have a fight to conclude. Flynt nods in agreement and both fighters decide to return to the center ring at opposite ends for a fair start. The fight starts and both go at it for a bit, Flynt uses Killer Quartet in an attempt to win but Yang counters with her own semblance and blocks his trumpet's attack like she did in the original episode, winning the fight. Flynt groans and starts trying to get up, but Yang offers him a helping hand that he graciously accepts. Neon and Weiss come over to praise them for a good fight. Neon goes next to Flynt and asks him if he's alright, he asks the same to her. They both look at Weiss and turn to each other.
“Yeah, I think we’re both alright now.”
Weiss smiles and extends her hand, Yang does the same. Both teams shake each other's hands and the crowd explodes with applause. We cut back to the audience and see Atlas and Faunus students apologizing to each other, some start to talk and laugh. The ignorance and hatred has faded away, spreading love and acceptance throughout the stadium and without the characters knowing it, the world. We might even have cuts to Ozpin smiling in his office with Qrow, Peter and Oobleck clapping in the booth, and a cropped 2-D drawing shot of Jacques Schnee who angrily turns off his television (or whatever they call it).
This is what I believe this battle should have been, this should not have been another throwaway fight from Volume 3. I’m not saying this is exactly the way this had to go down necessarily but the larger ideas at work like Neon having a larger role and the audience's reaction to the confrontation between Weiss and FNKI to me are essential elements that should have been a part of this fight. This was a massive wasted opportunity as scenes like this one would make us want to see characters like Neon and Flynt come back because we understand that a real friendship and respect had been formed during the fight. Characters walked away from this fight differently, characters had something to lose or something to prove or accomplish during this fight. That's what makes a fight scene work, in the end even the most beautifully choreographed fight scene will hold no water and fade from memory if there is nothing to make us care about it. It doesn't have to be both characters, all we need is one. Both just make it all the sweeter.
As the title suggests this will be part of a series of posts that delve into the chances that RWBY had to do some very interesting things but squandered by not having the foresight to take full advantage of them. I have quite a few ideas already, I also have ideas for another series but won’t talk about that one for now. This is a long post and I really do hope people stuck with it all the way to the end, I really appreciate you reading my thoughts on this subject and found the read interesting at the very least, hope you all enjoy the post and I’ll see you in the next one!
Also, rewatching the series the tournament was hinted so many times (and we know they planned RWBY out) I think having a scene with the girls training together and addressing their interest/motivation in the tournament. Length is also completely irrelevant here. RWBY wastes it's screen time in almost every season by focusing on characters who we don't care about and ultimately don't contribute to the characters or development of the main story.
- V1 we have a focus on Jaune when we should have focused on team RWBY.
- V2 actually does focus on the team and their problems and goals so this season is okay for that. But it should have happened earlier.
- V3 has us have no focus on anyone until the last few episodes and has pointless fights when that time could have been spent setting up the characters in the tournament.
- V4 we focus on the back story of Ren and Nora, which was the biggest waste of screen time so far because it also ultimately doesn't matter to the conclusion of the story and takes us away from the things they should have been developing, like the world and culture of each nation.And it is a waste because Ren and Nora didn't need a back story because we like them without them, it also encourages another horrible thing this show has done this season that I'll probably talk about in another post, but in short, we don't need a backstory for every character the show has focus on. They can just be good characters and that's all we have to care about.
Purpose
Missed Opportunities#2: Racism in Remnant(https://aminoapps.com/c/rwby/page/blog/missed-opportunities-2-racism-in-remnant/J88e_QWNsdulbdqV7RvzZgGNKZEoX4n6QJa). RWBY's Insulting Portrayal of Racism(https://aminoapps.com/c/rwby/page/blog/rwbys-insulting-portrayal-of-racism/z668_nQlIxu470MdKXM27re06ez5qrLeaW).
I think a large issue with RWBY as a narrative, and as a visual piece as well, is that the writers/animators add in too much stuff simply because it sounds or looks cool, without fully fleshing out the idea, or testing the visual enough to work out the kinks. In the words of Ian Malcolm "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should".
I am by no means saying they can't enjoy their own world, but if they mean to be a professional production, they need to stand back and say "ok what blends naturally into our story and visuals and what doesn't" and from there decide, what needs to stay, what needs to be changed, and what needs to just be removed in order to write a logical believable story that keeps people engaged.
Document Structure
Clauses
Vol. 3 is not a Tornament arc. It was an arc that had a poorly explained Tornament in it just so that there were fights in the vol. Exactly, a tournament arc has investment and depth put into its characters and teams. We only get this once from Penny and Pyrrha's perspective at the very end of the arc. That's one fight out of all of them. Mercury vs Yang being another. Most of the teams and fights were jokes. Literal gags to pad out time. Its a damn shame they cut team JNPR vs SSSN because that would have been a real plot central fight. Ok answer me these:
How do students register for the Tournament?
-How are they selected to participate? What determines which team gets in and which team gets cut off?
-Is the tournament divided by grades? Or do they All participate regardless of grade?
Wouldn't the 3rd and 4th years dominate against 1st graders?
Do all schools get an equal number of teams to participate?
-What does the winner of the Tournament get? Do their teammates get something too?
-Are there political or financial repercussions for the kingdom whose team wins the Tournament?
Historical Details
Background
The Dots between the lines (aka, what I think V5's biggest flaw was). I dunno why I am writing this, why I keep spending time to vent and complain about a web show. Maybe because by venting I can kinda displace my disappointment, when the sanest option would be to leave the subreddit, since while I am disappointed, seeing other people disappointed just amplifies my own, and this will probably amplify others as well creating a never ending cycle of disappointment and depression.
So I guess for mine and others sanity, this will be my last "venting thread", and I think I might become less active on the subreddit and find some other hobbies to try and take my mind off things.
But anyways to the actual fucking point
V5 is a weird volume. I think its the worst volume, but there is something incredibly weird going on in V5.
The criticism of "nothing is happening plotwise" is something that V4 came under fire for.
V4 if you boil it down plotwise you can go
RNJR went on a walk to Mistral
Weiss decided to leave her home
Blake went home
Yang decided to leave her home
But I don't think V4 is a bad volume. The lack of "plot happening" felt like the show could explore the characters and see where they were after the Fall of Beacon. I was not satisfied with some of the plotlines they introduced like the whole "Yang is too dependent on her semblance" thing (which I am starting to think on a meta level was only introduced because on RWBYRW I remember them saying they haven't figured out how to do the Yang hair on fire effect well enough in Maya to have), the JarJaring of Sun and Ruby not really having much agency.
But I don't outright hate V4. It tried to introduce a lot of plots and they didn't go anywhere, and I can forgive it and even like it.
But the criticism of nothing happening in V4 is what I feel created V5's biggest problem and oddly enough still maintained peoples problem with V4.
Things are technically happening, but nothing is happening at the same time
And it's a fucking weird sensation.
V5 feels like Miles and Kerry wanted "moments". Moments for people to go "hey, the plot is progressing"
This is what I mean by the dots in this pretentious thread title.
These moments are represented by the dots.
And they wanted to have a lot of moments
They wanted to have:
Ozpin reunites with RNJR and Qrow
Adam becomes leader of the WF
Weiss ending up in Ravens camp so she can meet up with Yang
Yang encountering Raven
Yang meeting up with Weiss
RWY meeting up
The Belladonna assassination attempt
The redemption of Ilia
Fighting in a burning building
The battle of Haven where the villains meet the heroes again
Weiss gets impaled
Jaune's semblance is revealed
Nora smashes
Raven is the spring maiden
Cinder Falls
Blake faces Adam again
Yang goes to the vault
RWBY finally reunites
That's a lot of things happening... but we still feel like nothing happened. Because the lines that connect these dots together are barely drawn and in many cases are skipped over.
Miles and Kerry tried to narrow down the plotlines from 6 in V4 (RNJR, W, B,Y, Oscar, WTCH) to 3 (Oscar>RNJR,W>Y, WY>RNJRO, then Blake and then Raven)
But they wanted so much to be happening in these plotlines, that events feel rushed over. While we wait for Blake's plot to happen, we watch RNJRWYO just sit around in the house dealing with melodrama and lore because the show wants the battle of haven to happen this volume as well.
A lot of these moments don't feel earned, because the writing between these moments doesn't justify them happening.
Character logic gets thrown out the window so these moments happen.
Everyone fights in the same room because the show wants everyone to see Weiss get impaled. Everyone starts standing around to watch these moments happen.
Like Em and Merc stopping to see the brief Blake reunion.
The show wants to have a fight in a burning building, but forgets things like "Faunus have great night vision (unless MK specifically state that Ilia's camoflauge is difficult to see with that night vision and they only made Ilia visible for the audience to be able to see her)
The show needs Yang to go to the Vault, so Ruby and Nora suddenly know whats going to happen in the script before it happens
I feel like I want to cut this rant short, because at this point I am just too depressed. I dunno if I got my point across but my
TL:DR is "The show tried to have so many moments, that it didn't take the time to set them up.
Personally, I'd have been happy if V5 ended with the Belladonna assassination attempt and instead of getting the battle of Haven this volume, we got more scenes to flesh out characters like Ilia more or we got actual training for Ruby and Oscar in this barely mentioned "training for H2H" and maybe have them explore Mistral or search around for clues on how CEM got to enter the Vytal festival.
And V6 tried to do a reverse V3, starting with the attack then ending dealing with the fallout.
But it's too late, no point thinking of hypotheticals.
While I looked forward to V5 a lot, and I was probably more excited for it than the last jedi... I just feel apathetic to RWBY as a show now.
I think I just desperately want the show to be good, and prove people wrong who wrote it off in the beginning... but it feels more and more unlikely as time goes on.
Well, I had always said that writing for the show with such a limited screentime is a great challenge for writers. Yet having less screentime does not mean you can... IDK, do not pay attention to development at all. It may be done in a more rough manner, but it should be there.
And, well, I've got a similar feeling after reading the interviews with Miles and Kerry - "a lot of plot and not a lot of characterization", though I'd also use a different wording here. I remember that there was a good post here, on reddit, named "dots and the lines". Eventually, I also think that Miles and Kerry are two fixated on "dots" - the specific points of the plot (like they said, they wanted a gang to end in Mistral for V5 - so they cared less about the rest), yet they pay less attention to the "lines", which is, basically, "so how are we going to move characters from A to B?". I mean, yes, RWBY is a short-termed show, but I used see so many... IDK, opportunities which could be used more effectively to show a development - not for 50% of its possible potential, but at least for 90% one. It just saddens me when smth so promising is not using its whole potential for unknown reasons.
Addressing power/ability inconsistency would be hugely beneficial for the show [especially regarding Weiss, Ren, Ruby and Blake]. Hi everyone, while this may seem like another one of my rants regarding the portrayal of the Schnee semblance and Weiss's intelligence in the show, it's not! Mostly.
First, let me preface that I understand Rule of Cool being a thing. I know RWBY likes to allow itself cool moments at the expense of consistency, but recently it's just been pushed too far.
Characters have in-universe established abilities that have not been denied. Therefore, it makes absolutely zero sense that they would forgo these abilities completely.
Let's start with a simple example - Nora. Her semblance has been clearly defined, is generally simple to understand and has many practical applications. She got around the weakness of having to get electricity from an external source by adding some lightning dust to her hammer. Why does she never use it to give herself a little boost from time to time?
Trying to hit the giant robot? Charge yourself while running. Trying to punch a grimm? Charge yourself before hitting. Sensing an imminent attack? Charge yourself preemptively so you can react.
Then we have Blake - who has the ability do use dust clones to great effect, along with using aura blade slashing beams, or whatever those were. This would give her much needed hitting power and something other than puny bullets at range. But she just doesn't do it. I'm sure Weiss had some spare dust lying around to spare for emergencies, and heck even Ruby had some electrical dust cartridges. Is the group really that tight on budget that they can't afford some dust which would greatly improve Blake's chances at combat, especially when sending her alone to disable the communication tower? Blake vs Adam? How many times did he stab her clones on accident and didn't notice until a few seconds later? What if it was an explosive fire clone, or an ice clone that trapped his blade and let Blake get in a hit or two? it makes a difference.
Then comes Ren, who had some impressive aura control in the beginning. He, like Fox, could force aura into grimm to make them explode and even create a force-field thing. Where did this go? He frequently is rendered useless due to the low damage potential of his guns, situations where an empowered aura palm to the face would likely cause some damage at least. With that level of aura control, shouldn't he be more proficient in using aura for quick boosts of speed/strength?
Ruby is a bit of a special case, mostly because of her extremely weird semblance. Does she dissolve when using it? If so, why doesn't she dodge more attacks/slither around enemies in her rose tornado thing she did in the V4 trailer? Is it just a cloak that lets her move faster? Does it have a timer? Can she reliably maneuver while using it or is it a straight-line kind of thing?
Weiss... Time dilation, speed glyphs, telekinesis and target-seeking fireballs aside, why do her summons (and glyphs) have such wildly inconsistent summoning times? Whenever the story needs her to get hit, the summoning takes a long time. Whenever the story needs a clutch reaction, it's there in the nick of time. Same thing goes for some of her glyph usage and individual glyph power. Sometimes she needs to close her eyes and concentrate, other times glyphs appear in a split second. When she used time dilation on Blake, she could cast it while /falling/. When she used it vs Banesaw, she had to concentrate and stand still for quite a bit.
One time her gravity glyphs can stabilize everyone on a moving train, and let her practically stand upside down on a rotating airship and the other, she could even slow down the fall of a giant airship and suspend people in mid air in a single glyph. Then recently, Ruby falls through like 5 gravity glyphs and barely slows down? Does glyph power depend on aura or on amount of dust? How does it work?
Moreover, what about general aura use? Can't there be an audio que when aura is used to enhance/coat a weapon? Or when it's used to boost a jump, or a punch? It's kind of just there to rationalize whatever the hell is happening in the fight with absolutely zero consistency.
If we actually had proper rules and clarification of what is cannon and what isn't, choreographers would be given incentive to prioritize character strength and weaknesses and add believable stakes. This, even with less flashy choreography and cool moments, would increase fight engagement monumentally.
Sure, cool fights are great and all but when characters purposefully gimp themselves even in extremely serious fights it can seriously hamper enjoyment and make it very difficult to suspend disbelief. It would also give RWBY an even bigger edge. Good choreography with consistent rules? It wouldn't just live up to shonen anime, it would knock a lot of them out of the park!
tl;dr pls establish what characters can and can't do so we can enjoy fights more, many thanks
History
Now because the writing for canon-
End of Season 2: (Team CFVY, Coco in particular, whip the floor with the Grimm threat)
"Climax" of Season 3- Cinder: "Their cOloSsAl FaIlUrE to protect Vale when the Grimm invaded it's streets."
-...isn't the best when it comes to being consistent, to at least keep the main characters consistent in my story I decided to pick out a particular moment/scene that stuck out to me the most when I first watched the early volumes of RWBY and what I thought about the characters in it. If I were to boil down the themes and character arcs into a single word, this is how I would do it. We already talked about Ruby's talk with Blake, so another one would be defeating the Nevermore in V1. So "crazy awesome" would be- wait that's two words, uhhhhh- "optimism". "Optimism" for Rubywas what I was going to say. The Weiss moment that I used was her reaction to Ruby stumbling upon her. Some would expect that she would show even the slightest sign of displeasure or at least indifference in her face, but her reaction is pure, unassuming innocence. She promptly walks off, but still. The animation had shown plenty of characters frowning up to that point, so it's hard for me to believe that this was an "animation error". Although considering the writers and fans early opinion on Weiss, it might've been the animation giving more depth to the characters than the writing again. Still, I like to think that this was intentional. "Duality" is how I would describe Weiss. As for Blake, what stuck out to me the most was her chastising Sun for stealing apples despite her introduction being about her stealing explosive weapons that have been used by her group to kill innocents. "Hypocrisy" for Blake. As for Yang...I was going to use her talking about her backstory in V2, as for me that's the only time in the entire show where Yang felt a part of the scene rather than a part of the scenery, but looking back it feels like the thought for that scene was less "Hey, lets finally give characterization to a character that desperately needs it" and more "Don't these two look cute together?". The closest replacement moment I can think of is Yang telling Ruby to meet new people, but that's the start of making her a good supporting character. It doesn't make her a good main character, at least not to me. Yang's the one that I've had the most trouble trying to get a grasp on, but maybe her anthology manga will help me with writing her once I read it.
Thanks, and you have a wonderful day too :)
I can't agree any more, friend, nor could I have put it any better. Blake's character and storyline is just a mess in my opinion, and sadly she just doesn't come across as all that likable or sympathetic to me. It honestly does feel like favoritism at times, especially when the writers seem to regard Ruby, Weiss, and Yang so harshly for their "mistakes" when Blake seems to always get off lightly. And it seems like I disagree with the writers when it comes to each of Blake's major scenes. I was on Weiss' side in Volume 1, felt that Yang was in a no-win situation against Adam (and that losing her arm wasn't her fault), and felt her reason for running for more because of self-guilt rather than because she felt guilty over what happened to Yang. And Adam and Blake considering each other unimportant up until their final encounter just felt very wrong to me.
I like your personal take on Team RWBY's core characters and what they personify, and I know they'll serve you well. Hypocritical characters can be a lot of fun to play around with, but at some point the characters/writer(s) have to call them out for their hypocrisy, which just never really happened in the show in my opinion. Perhaps the argument could be made that Sun did in Volume 4, but at the same time Blake was also told her character development which was to stop hurting the people that love her. Not only did Ruby, Weiss, and Yang have nothing to due with coming to this conclusion, but she didn't even figure this out for herself. And like we both mentioned with the "personification" scene, it just feels tone deaf when for all Blake knows her former teammates are emotionally broken and/or being hunted by Adam.
Best of luck with your fanfics, friend. I know from our many talks that you put a lot of love and hard work into them. I'm not sure if I can offer any advice for how to portray Yang's character, but for the majority of my first fanfic ("The Petals Scatter Now") I used her extensively as a supporting character to Ruby and Blake. I've found that her fun loving, protective, and sometimes temperamental personality bounces off the other characters really well, and it's difficult to have four main characters all get the spotlight anyway. The best suggestion I can give though is to just keep writing. You'll find Yang's voice eventually.
Remove these ads. Join the Worldbuilders Guild
Comments