Jaune Arc

The Jaunedice episodes aren't bad in a vacuum compared to some of the other Volume 1 content. They just came at a terrible time in the show's history, and didn't exactly break new ground.
That's nearly a quarter of the first volume's runtime that could've been used to show Team RWBY integrating with one another, showing Blake and Weiss gradually open up to their teams, giving Yang something to do, or just further worldbuilding in general. Instead it was used for an after-school special about bullying and leadership, and it raised more questions than it answered (how did Jaune not know what Aura is if he comes from a line of heroes, what's his family like, where did he get the transcripts, does Ozpin know about the transcripts, do Ren/Nora/RWBY know about them?)
The first time I binged the show, after Volume 3, the Jaunedice arc went by in a flash - it takes maybe 20 minutes to watch all four episodes if you skip openings and credits. It was a bit awkward but I was OK with it. Now though, after years of "Blake's a bad friend and teammate" and "there's no faunus discrimination" and "what's the deal with Jaune's backstory" and "Ruby and Blake aren't friends because they never interact" plus the show trying to sell Pyrrha, Nora, and Ren as main characters when they were relegated to Jaune's supporting cast for the entire Beacon arc? I think about all the other little things we might have gotten in place of Jaunedice, and it's just frustrating. There's a reason I consider Soulbound one of the best RWBY fics ever, and it's at least partly because it's a novelization of Volume 1 that almost totally ignores Jaunedice in favor of focusing on what RWBY were doing during the same timeframe.
Cutting Jaunedice to two episodes - with all of NPR involved in fixing Jaune's cranial-rectal inversion - could work, as long as the other two episodes are all focused on Blake and Yang.
I saw someone sketch out an outline for a two-parter with Yang sneaking off to hunt for Raven, and Blake tailing her and trying to get an explanation/offer assistance. It would be an excuse to show more of Vale, including its seedy and disenfranchised areas, and would generate some suspense/curiosity for the Burning the Candle explanation of Raven.
So unless there is going to be some absolutely brilliant plot element later in the series that revolves around the relics attracting Grimm I'm pretty sure those same beats could have been accomplished through something less obnoxious than "oops, Oz didn't mention this."
For example, literally just tossing an alternative scenario where the lamp does not attract Grimm off the top of my head: Let's say Oz has flat out refused to tell the gang what the lamp can do. That way he's consistently keeping them at a need-to-know basis instead of arbitrarily doling out some info and lying/omitting other parts.
Because they're not getting answers they want, Oscar attempts to dig deeper in his and Ozpin's shared memories. Hey, that would even give Oscar some agency. In doing this, Oscar stumbles across more than he bargained for and suddenly collapses in a rush of negative emotions, traumatic experiences from some of his many past lives that Ozpin is keeping hidden away. This overload attracts the grimm, fight scene ensues.
You could still do the trick where Ren uses his semblance on a whole bunch of passengers in the train, but even without the lamp's attraction it would still make sense that a team has to hang back to draw away the Grimm while Ren Jaune and Nora cover the front cars, since the Grimm might still just derail the train if their prey on it suddenly vanished.
Then a fight could still ensue the following episode, since there is no shortage of reasons for the gang to become fed up with Oz. For example, the incident with Oscar could serve as that inciting spark.
(Use the bolded idea but for Jaune)
This is a huge problem that the show has with treating characters like they don’t matter if Miles and Kerry don’t think they do. Pyrrha is one of the worst cases because she IS super important, not just to the main characters but also to Remnant considering she’s supposed to be a super famous celebrity that was so famous that even Weiss was pissing her pants at the chance to be friends with her. It’s like they were desperately rushing to kill her off in Vol 3 and then once she was dead Pyrrha just didn’t matter. So Jaune melting her equipment down so he could get a pointless upgrade to his weapons despite being shown to be extremely sentimental about Pyrrha to the point of keeping an old video on his Scroll and rewatching it over and over isn’t a big deal to Miles and Kerry. I mean Pyrrha’s dead so why should anyone care right?
But it doesn’t follow any sort of logic and it took to Vol 6 for them to even TRY to show more than the main characters thinking about Pyrrha, and it’s just more of the cheap damage control the season has been throwing in. Miles and Kerry don’t actually think about how what they write affects the characters or what impression it will give the audience. Jaune, considering his character and considering how it would look to the audience, WOULD try to give back Pyrrha’s stuff to her parents. It also shows maturity and growth from Jaune and makes it a sympathetic goal for him to have. But Miles doesn’t think about that because the thought process was probably more along the lines of “lol wouldn’t it be cool if Jaune got this like new upgrade to his sword using Pyrrha’s stuff that made it a bigger sword? Man that will be totally emotional.” and there was no deeper thought or question about it. It’s like how no one in Mistral, Pyrrha’s home Kingdom, asks about Pyrrha or makes a big deal out of what happened to her. She’s gone so she’s irrelevant to the story as far as Miles and Kerry are concerned. It wasn’t until years of fans complaining about it that they even started doing anything about it, but it’s far too late for that.
It’s FRUSTRATING because as a writer these kinds of things should be basic things to consider before you even put pen to paper. But Miles and Kerry blast through the writing process without putting much of any thought into it. Even simple stories that I’ve come up with have more thought put into them than Miles and Kerry have put into the entire series and it’s maddening that they simply don’t care about writing well.
I just don't understand the people that think Jaune will be the one to kill Cinder. Like fucking how? They are so far apart on the power spectrum they're not even on the same tier list.
That's not his backstory, it's part of his starting arc (heh). But w/e. To each their own indeed. I like when character's decisions make sense and have at least a little bit of realism.
Anytime a characters arc intersects with Jaune's, their presence is entirely for the benefit of Jaune's development.
Any character that becomes Jaune's girlfriend will cease to exist as their own person, instead reduced to the role of Jaune's girlfriend.
If he meets a nice girl in Atlas or something like that, that's great. Watching a main character be erased by Jaune would not be great.
I mean it kind of feels like what happened to Ruby in Volumes 4 and 5.
My issue with Jaune is how he was written into the story. I understand that they needed a way to quickly explain what Aura was to the audience and I don't totally hate the trope of useless MC who becomes powerful towards the end, but Jaune creates a problem at the level of worldbuilding. We are told, through Ozpin, that applicants to Beacon have to pass a rigorous entrance exam, aside from providing transcripts. While the falsification of transcripts is possible I can't imagine how Jaune was able to cheat his way through the entrance exam if he didn't know how to fight and didn't even know what a thing as basic, to the world of Remnant, as aura was before Pyrrha told him.
And it doesn't help that Pyrrha was crushing on him for apparently no reason even before she found out that he didn't know who she was.
Or he could kick the kid the fuck out and give it to one of the other kids at the intermediary huntsman academies.
Because the kid has 3 other teammates whose lives depend on him not being completely incompetent?
Except the kids that are supposed to be in the school are the ones that are capable enough to have things like "landing strategies". He had no business being there, and just because a terrible decision ended up working out from a fucking dice roll's chance of him becoming Pyrrha's partner and her actually being nice and patient enough to train him to a point of not total incompetency doesn't change the fact that it was a terrible decision.
My point is. Everyone of the main-cast feels like they belong into Beacon. All of them outside of Jaune, as Ms. Normal in the best Hunter-School on Remnant without proper combat or Aura experience. He is Mr. Normal in a school for heavily trained individuals that are tasked to rescue normal people from people like Torchwick, combat the Grimm, terrorists like the White Fang or monsters like Salem and Cinder.
He could have been introduced later on to the main cast. As a survivor with a unique Semblance and very strong Aura or something like that. It would have made him more interesting. Someone with an unique and powerful Semblance that got dragged into the fight because of it.
Miles and Kerry and whoever else writes for his character really need to refine Jaunes character. I'm talking about getting to the core of the character.
What is the objective the character short term goals? Long term goals?
How can we portray the message for the character in the time span we given for the volume?
How are we going to put the character in a position to succeed? In what ways should Jaune be used to stand out?
How will the fans react to him doing X scene? (Which I'm sure they know he will be hated on).

Physical Description

Specialized Equipment

When Jaune develops his skills, he'll become a Stone Wall. From his traditional weapons, it can be implied that he'll have little destructive power but at least decent defense. Plus he has motion sickness so I doubt he'll do much acrobatics, unlike the girls. And Pyrrha notes that he's got a strong Aura, among many uses of it being Healing Factor and Super Toughness (it's a thing that he often gets flung around and yet rarely, if ever, suffers heavy damage, let alone being slowed down). Put all of them together and he'll become a badass defensive-style slow fighter who shrugs off damage like a tank. And his commanding skills can make up for that, too.

Mental characteristics

Personal history

One of my biggest issues I have with Jaune isn’t just his inconsistencies, it’s his over reliance on other characters for development.
This is a huge fucking flaw and problem. He’s so woven and interlinked with other characters, it makes him fucking dependent on other characters to evolve ANY.
However, this isn’t a terrible thing, but when it keeps fucking happening, and you keep doing it, you get annoyed people.
For me, I’m tired of Jaune for this reason and many others, because his development keeps hinging on other characters that are just… way more interesting than he is, but that’s not the biggest issue– the issue is they DIE OR GET HURT.
Pyrrha died because she wanted to protect Jaune and everyone else, but at that moment we know she mostly wanted to protect him. This lead to Jaune wanting to get stronger in her memory. We lost a character cause of that. One that was in the middle of her character arc, mind you and one that was WAY more interesting.
Now we have Weiss hurt, to give Jaune more development.
Is it such a bad fucking thing to want him to be able to grow and develop on his own? I get the show is about teams, partners and whatever, but Jaune literally doesn’t develop by himself.
I’m just fucking tired of having to sacrifice WAY more interesting characters for this one. I really wish Cinder ended him this episode.
Why didn’t she free us.
Dead ass, I’d have continued to watch RWBY no matter what after that.
Jaune’s character honestly died when Pyrrha died. It’s not a fault in the writing inherently that Jaune’s character development came because of other characters, particularly Pyrrha, helping him. But they based almost all of his development on Pyrrha’s character and then killed her off. Pyrrha saved Jaune from falling in the Emerald Forest. Pyrrha unlocked Jaune’s Aura and gave him a crash course in Aura and Grimm. It was because of Pyrrha that Jaune admitted he cheated his way into Beacon and he started training. Ruby and Pyrrha were the reason he stood up to Cardin. Pyrrha gave him a nudge in the fight with the Ursa to give him a confidence boost. Pyrrha was the reason Jaune actually started legitimately studying. Pyrrha was the reason Jaune calmed down and actually managed to have a rational conversation with Neptune. It was because of Pyrrha that Jaune stopped caring about his reputation so much and put on a dress to make her laugh.
This stuff isn’t bad, and honestly produced some of my favorite moments in the show. But when they killed off Pyrrha (ironically for character development) they got rid of the primary source of Jaune’s development. He had literally nothing in Vol 4 besides standing there and mentioning Pyrrha a couple times. His whole character stagnated and it’s clear they’ve struggled to give him (and anyone else in the show honestly) real development. Shoot even Ruby’s character struggled to have any real relevance after Vol 2.
I don’t think that Jaune’s issues are exclusive to him. EVERYONE gets the shaft in the writing department. But talking specifically about Jaune it’s clear his character was so heavily tied to Pyrrha that without her he has almost nothing to do. Even his interactions with Ren and Nora felt far more bland without Pyrrha (which is also due in part to the fact that we barely had Jaune and Pyrrha talk meaningfully to Ren or Nora before Vol 4). The show has struggled immensely with keeping the story going after Vol 2 and it’s why I honestly had a hard time caring about anyone in the show anymore. Everyone in the show, Jaune included, deserves to have better development. Jaune should have been able to grow as a character and become less reliant on everyone else (like he specifically says in Vol 1) instead of having to ride on the coattails of everyone else. It’s sad because I loved Jaune’s character and there was so much they could have done with him and his developing relationship with Pyrrha but they seemed to care more about trying to be darker and edgier and it just threw everything into a tailspin.
One way they could have made the bully arc work was by... well, not really making it a bully arc. There was this Great War that Jaune's Great Granddaddy fought in, right? Well, why not have it so the Winchesters fought for the other side, and while the Arcs have been hailed as heroes (for being on a winning side), the Winchesters have had their names dragged through the mud and were stripped of every piece of wealth, land, and authority they once possessed after the war, and have never recovered. Oh, and get rid of the part where Cardin is a racist. Suddenly, there is a very human reason for Cardin to hate Jaune so much. He coasted into Beacon without really deserving to get in, representing everything Cardin would have grown up hating about the Arc family.
Just curious, can anyone name a decent bully arc? Bakugo and Deku (MHA) Yusuke and Kuwabara (Yu Yu Hakasho) Buford and Baljeet (Phineas and Ferb) What do these all have in common? That's right, they humanize the bully and have them grow as a person. Meanwhile, you've Cardin and his team who just seem to bully because...bullies exist and this show wants to glorify women so we can't have a girl bully.

Education

His arc in V1 and his role in the Dance Arc are some of the most unpopular subplots in RWBY and are generally viewed as giving Jaune too much focus at the expense of other characters (Blake and Yang’s relationship got barely any screen time in V1 and people take issue with the way Weiss and Pyrrha were written in the Jaune pursuing Weiss subplot). For many people he really hasn’t recovered from that bad first impression.
Mainly that her motivation for rejecting Jaune, “Boys are only interested in me for my title”, doesn’t make sense when her literal next sentence is about how she wants to go with Neptune. Jaune also gets much more screentime dedicated to his feelings towards Weiss, if all you watched of RWBY were the scenes involving Jaune’s pursuit of Weiss you’d think RWBY was a shonen about Jaune with Weiss as the frosty love interest instead Weiss being one of the four main characters and Jaune being a tier down in importance. If Weiss has gotten a flashback of boys pretending to like her for her title and had been more hesitant about Neptune, I wouldn’t of had a problem with Weiss in that arc.
He's still taking time away from the mains, Weiss got punked so he could get his semblance, he's basically 'standard male protagonist 34342', with angst over a dead girlfriend, special powers, a tendency to intrude into other's plotlines and a whole load of theories that would promote him even more, even if they're unlikely to come to much. Also the whole 'strategist' thing is both contentious, and kinda craps on the other characters, who legitimately attended magical fighting university and so should have decent competency at such things, at least above 'rando cheating dude that should have died on day 1'.
A lot of the issue is that he gets the standard male protagonist stuff (as I said, dead girlfriend, mysterious powers, able to keep up with those above his tier etc.) so keeps kinda sliding in from the edge - look at all the theories that keep popping up here of 'Pyrrha's still alive in Cinder!' or 'What can his Semblance do!' and in show he's far more present than Ren and Nora (they had their arc, now they're side characters that pop out for fights and to show up in the background, they're full-on side characters, they don't get focus shots or development any more). Some is that the writers don't quite seem sure how to treat him - it flicks between 'buttmonkey Jaune' and 'meaningful moment Jaune' without much rhyme or reason - is he a supporting character, or a main? The writers don't quite seem to be sure, but they've sure loaded him down with potential plot flags, even if they (hopefully) come to nothing.
That he's nominally the strategist at all causes problems- they've all trained for this, he just rocked up, not even knowing what aura is, with minimal prior combat experience. Like suggesting to Ren and Nora that they should circle a target and all attack at once. To trained, experienced combatants that have fought together for years - that's not deep or clever, that's what they should be doing by default (for Ren and Nora, 'Ren distracts, Nora smashes' should be pretty standard). It's really not a good niche for a character that has no particular reason for it - prone to trying crazy shit because he can't keep up otherwise, maybe, but actual combat strategy he should be behind on, because he's experienced so much less of it, both in theory and practice, than anyone else.

Employment

Ruby is the main protagonist as well as the youngest huntsman, 2 years everyone's junior, having to adjust from learning skills from the safety of her home to learning new skills out on her own journey to save the world. She should be our window into this world, asking all the important questions, learning new things each episode, and generally being shit at killing Grimm. Instead you split the underdog/noob role between Jaune (the he comedic relief) and Oscar (the Vessel for The Wise Old Mentor) The writing here is bad because you feel the need to overcompensate with two characters a trait you felt you couldn't handle with one. What this means is every time Oscar or Jaune are on screen you have to beat the viewer over the head with the fact that both know nothing about the world. For Jaune it doesn't work simply because he isn't the main character thus we can't buy his need to ask all these questions, we aren't following his story. With Oscar, there's no reason he should have any questions because he could literally ask Ozpin anything and everything about the world, because the writers felt the need to combine Luke with Ben unaware of what makes that relationship work.... The writing in this show angers me because every small fix shows how little the writers care about logic and reason.

Failures & Embarrassments

Which characters do you like less after volume 5? Jaune. But this is less because of him as a character and more like I feel like other characters were neglected for his sake. Totally a nitpick by my part.
He confronts Cinder instead of Ruby thus making her feel almost non existent during the Volume. Retroactively, this made me realize that he stole multiple of her potential moments during V4. Like him being the strategist of the group, a role that belonged to Ruby. And finally when Ruby is about to question her own decision after Qrow gets poisoned he just solves her problems instantly with some words.
And Weiss getting nerfed and impaled just so that he could unlock his semblance, a semblance that honestly feels uninteresting for me.
So yeah. It’s not that i hate him or anything but I don’t like that main characters have to be neglected or nerfed just so that a secondary character can have his moments and all that build up to unlock a semblance that is both uninteresting and a stake-killer. I think Vicente is making astute points, and the real problem many viewers have with Jaune probably isn't that they think he's a "secondary character" detracting screentime from "main characters" per se, though it might often get phrased that way by people who feel a nagging sense of displeasure with his scenes.
I think the true issue is that, regardless of whether we label him a main character or not, the moments that focus on Jaune have an unfortunate tendency of being detrimental to or happening at the expense of other characters' development.
The V4C10 scene in Kuroyuri that could have allowed Ruby to take center stage becomes about Jaune and how great he is at cheering her up. Even though his speech is about Ruby and how inspiring she is, the active character in the scene, the one with agency and prevalent on-screen characterization... Is Jaune.
Jaune also explicitly quotes one of his friends having said "you're the strategist", and is the character that gets to come up with a plan for taking down the Petra Gigas. And even though the way his plan is phrased initially gets played as humorous, his dumb strategy ultimately gets vindicated by actually working.
Sure, "keep moving, run in a circle" is really dumb advice to be giving (especially since Ren was already running in a circle and got hit when Jaune shouted to do so, check the tapes its absurd)... But in-universe it wasn't treated as such.
Nobody responded anything about how obvious or simple of a suggestion Jaune was making, because the primary way Volume 4 had found to keep Jaune relevant in fight scenes was to have him shout out inanely obvious "strategies". And we in the audience were then asked to believe that Jaune's strategic contributions made a difference that helped the group win their fights.
The issue with this is that it makes everyone else seem stupid. Jaune shouting childishly simple things (that any trained fighter would already have considered) and still being treated as the group's strategist means everyone else in his party had to be sporadically dumbed down for the sake of his relevance.
“I also think that Jaune has more reason to confront Cinder, since she literally was the one who killed his partner/love interest.”
But Cinder doesn't have more reason to confront Jaune. She hadn't spent 2 volumes very explicitly building up a grudge against him, burning effigies of him etc. And there's no reason why Ruby couldn't have been the one to take an active role by facing down Cinder at Haven, she also had more than enough reasons to confront her.
Again, this is an example of Jaune's motivations, characterization and actions being brought to the forefront in a situation that could otherwise have been used for greater development of different characters, like Ruby and Cinder. I agree that this is a problem, although I would disagree about "only volume 1" thing. We've seen Jaune act like his team's leader (albeit often in incompetent ways) in volumes 3 and 4 as well.
Another archetype that Jaune intermittently fits is the traditional protagonist of many adventure stories: The audience surrogate who knows little about the world, thus being an underdog with untapped potential (lots of aura) who has to grow in order to survive in a setting where he's in over his head.
I would argue that these characteristics have contributed a bit to the ways in which Jaune sometimes overshadows Ruby in the protagonist sense, since he was given more room to grow. And therefore it sometimes seems like the writers have a clearer idea of what to do with him.
But then Oscar Pine came along and fulfills those very same criteria as well, so it's not entirely clear what unique purpose Jaune is meant to serve in the story.
The women around Jaune are the tragic characters. How would you feel if you got stabbed because some dumb ass don't listen to orders?
See, that's the problem a lot of people don't understand about Juane in V4. Yeah, from his perspective what he does makes decent sense most of the time. The problem is, what he does from an actual story sense for RWBY is bad for the show. Forcing him into valuable screen time situations takes away from Ruby's character growth, which was a MAJOR flaw in V4. What makes a bit of sense to one secondary character's logic isn't as important as the actual quality of the story.
Also, Jaune going for Cinder doesn't make any sense at all. They are all aware Cinder is going to be there, they all have a grudge against her, and he's well aware he's outmatched. It's an obvious stupid move that should get him insta-killed by any normal logic going after a maiden. Why wouldn't he do the same thing? Because he literally told Pyrrha she was no match for him. Without PIS, it would be suicide, and there's nothing to show he was suicidal. It's not being compulsive to take someone on who you've had weeks to plan for being there. It's called just being a total moron and putting everyone else's lives at risk, as well as being suicidal.
Also, what? This is the first time Ruby has been separated from Juane since the beginning of Volume 4. Not so surprisingly, Juane going back to a secondary character and then being gone; Ruby has had more character growth in 2 chapters this Volume than she's had in the last two Volumes combined. You can't both be rash, not suicidal, and care about others when you have weeks to plan and know that it is a suicidal move that will put others in danger. He's either suicidal with no regard for others, or it was completely stupid writing. Because without PIS, he would have been instantly dead and put everyone else in danger logically. There is no "paying with his life". You have no ground to stand on to protect the awful decision to have him fight Cinder.
They ruined the Battle at Haven all for the sake of trying to make Juane more important than he should be. That's just the bottom line that there's no getting around. They made Cinder do things out of character, they made Weiss lose another fight she had no business losing, all just to debut Juane's lol white mage ability.

Social

Contacts & Relations

Yeah, having Jaune reminding me why his continued existence currently annoys me aka taking over the show doesn’t feel like an improvement. The other problem is it tends to be Jaune telling Ruby how to deal with this stuff instead of her figuring it out herself. It’s why I was annoyed with the similar scene in Volume 4. Good point. There's really only a few good ways to handle pep talks in shows. You can't just take a detour in your writing—going somewhere and back—by having a dramatic thing happen and using a pep talk to reel it back in.
The dramatic thing that happens should thicken the plot, or underscore something else that thickens the plot. It should offer a new reality to the story moving forward. It shouldn't be thrown in there because there's empty space to fill. Also, the character reactions to that new reality shouldn't be contrived, especially if the characters started off more or less on the same page; then the gaping difference in mentality when it comes time for the pep talk is less justified. It isn't enough that the relationship between the characters is established as close; it's still just people saying the exact right words they needed to say for no reason.
So if it's not about the character dynamic, what is it about? Bottom line, it's about the characterization. It should say a lot more about the person delivering the pep talk than the one receiving it. That character's experience is integral to making one of these scenes work. They may be seen as a mentor figure, or as an equal, coming out of this. What they say should reflect their life and their wisdom. Then it's as if they're offering an actual piece of themselves to better another person; it's a lot more compelling that way. What they offer should be knowledge the protagonist or person receiving the pep talk would have had no way of understanding if not for this character. It makes their conversation that much more pivotal and consequential.
That's why it's so annoying that a character is down for no reason other than for drama, and another character who is still kicking convinces the other to press forward for no reason other than for drama. If you can switch the roles of the characters in this scene without changing or forcing too much, you know the pep talk is contrived to begin with.

Social Aptitude

I mean I’m sure that’s the way it was intended to come across, but I still really don’t like how it treats Jaune not understanding that no means no as “Aw poor Jaune, he really likes Weiss but just doesn’t know how to girls”. Really my problem isn’t with Jaune’s behavior, it’s with the way other characters respond to it. If we had gotten stuff like Yang had sympathizing with Weiss instead of sympathizing with Jaune and Nora telling Pyrrha she shouldn’t be encouraging Jaune’s pursuit of Weiss instead of just telling her that she should follow Jaune’s example, I wouldn’t have minded the Dance Arc nearly as much.
I completely disagree. It really just seemed like Weiss didn’t like Jaune, she shuts down all of Jaune’s advances very hard and Neptune calling her “Snow Angel” worked for him but didn’t work for Jaune. Pyrrha says that Jaune should confess to Weiss, but we have nothing to suggest that would’ve worked and Pyrrha herself is awkward and not good at romance so I’m not going to take her word as hard evidence that Weiss would say yes to Jaune if he simply asked the right way. And even after the Dance Arc there has never been any indication that Weiss is interested in Jaune romantically.

Character Prototype

Allusions- Saint Joan of Arc, Andromache, Patroclus, Odysseus, Luke Skywalker, Aragon, The Prince (Cinderella), Armin Arlert, Sokka. Funny man becomes tactician hmmmm where have I heard that arc done before in a slower, gradual and much better way.... Avatar tla theme plays.